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You do not have to post this on your website if you do not wish, but I would like to know...
First of all, I am so impressed with the trumpeterers who are not limited in their ability, such as Bobby Shew, Chuck Findlay, and yourself who are both marvelous lead and jazz players. There are few and far between like yourselves.
I have owned your Live at Charlie O's for a while and I am so impressed with your "Another You" solo. I know you have incredible breath control, and I truly believe you could play such a solo without the need of circular breathing and I'm sure you have been asked a million times, not only about this solo but others as well. Masters such as Rafael Mendez and Arturo Sandoval talk about developing breath control, and I've seen you play solos with Supersax, do you circular breathe in order to play such beautiful amazing solos with seemingly unstoppable lines and runs?
Thanks,
Elijah Kavila
Olathe, Kansas |
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Elijah.. You're right I have been asked that question for years. The answer is No, I don't circular breathe. I breathe like a Republican and play like a Democrat. By that I mean I conserve my air and play a liberal amount of notes. My trumpet axiom is "use the least amount of air to get the job done to the fullest".
This approach pays off in many ways. It provides a reserve of power to draw on if needed, it improves your flexibility and most importantly, it leads you down the road to what I call effortlessness. In my view there should not be any force in your playing. What you should strive for is getting the most out of your playing with the least amount of effort and getting to a point where your attention is not on the mechanics of playing the instrument but of playing beautiful music.
And of course swinging should be a top priority in jazz. The mental concept to achieve swinging is "Stay on top of the beat but don't rush" CS |
Carl,
I had seen somewhere that you play a Benge. Is that true?
The reason I asked is that my first trumpet teacher and friend for about 40 years gave me his early LA Benge 3X last year. It was a horn that I had often lusted over when I took when I took lessons from him in high school and college. However, times had changed and I had been playing a Yamaha 8335RGS and a Kanstul 1503 and set the Benge aside. However, a few weeks ago I pulled it out of the closet and started playing it. I found that it suited me far better then any of the other horns and it is pretty much the only horn I play now days. There was a reason that Sam always loved that horn. The valves are as slick as glass and the response is so quick. So, if it is true you play a Benge it is easy to see why.
Thanks!
Mike Ackerman
Atlanta, GA |
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Mike.. Yes it's true. I have been playing a ML 3X for quite a while now. I can play lead and jazz with it. A couple of different companies have tried to build me a horn but couldn't seem to match let alone improve on what I have. I bought it used in 1968 from Eldon Benge. It's the rare benge with the short valve stroke. I'm still open to playing a new horn . Maybe some day my dream horn will show up but until then I'm playing my old Benge.. regards CS |
Dear Carl,
At the age of 46 Im always trying to be a better solist or improvisation player. I have been playing since 4th grade and now have been teaching for 25 yrs. In upstate NY it's difficult to find steady or consistent jobs, thank god for the teaching gig. What advice do you have to learning this art of improvisation?
I need a rhythm section to practice this art and have used Jamie Abersold tapes years ago. Any suggestions, tips, lip exercises, or books that you have used to make me a better jazz player? I need some professional help. I do play jazz duet w/ piano for cocktail hour parties.
Thanks for any tips or ideas you can share or that you have found useful. Keep up the great work, you are an inspiration to all trumpet players across the world.
God Bless, Jim Traglia |
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Jim.. Thank you for your kind words.. As far as "learning this art of improvisation", to really break the barrier and kick yourself up a notch and become a noticeably improved and better improviser, you have to dedicate yourself to playing a lot .. Get people together and play. It's hard if you're in a town that doesn't have a lot of music going on like jazz clubs and rehearsal bands.
Abersold is cool to stay in touch with it but you must create situations for yourself to play on a steady basis. It won't happen with theory alone. You must apply it .
There is some theory that I can suggest and that is make up chromatic patterns and get them down so you can play them fast and clean. Just different patterns of chromatic scales. That will make your fingers flexible. Another is practice blowing on a never ending cycle of minor 7s resolving up a 4th and then making that the new minor 7th and etc. example.. Cmi7 to F7 Fmi7 to Bb7 Bbmi7 to Eb7 Ebmi7 to Ab7 and so on.
Write tunes and get your mind into thinking about music and melodies. Improvising is writing on the fly. Improvisors are writers and should also write with a paper and pencil too. And of course just the physicality of playing the trumpet is a full time job just to keep your chops up. It doesn't come easy or quickly it takes time which means you must be patient so good luck and hopefully some skill too.
Use the least amount of air to get the job done to its fullest and stay on top of the beat but don't rush... CS |
Hi Carl!
I assume you're familiar with the exercise where you place a pencil between your lips and hold it slightly elevated for a few minutes twice a day. This is supposed to help with compression, etc. It's been said that strong lead players can hold the pencil elevated for 4 minutes, those who can just play high C can hold it up for 1 1/2 minutes, and weak players not at all. So I've been working up to 2 minutes over a period of weeks and plan to continue the exercise. But as I do this I wonder... the pencil exercise may be a measure of a lead player's strength, but does it necessarily follow that if one works up to 4 minutes he will be able to play high, loud and long? Do you think the exercise is beneficial or just a novel way to measure what has taken years to develop by traditional methods?
Ken Rodd
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Ken.
"High, loud, and long."
People are all built differently. Some have thick muscles in their lips and some thin. Some embouchures are built to sustain abuse and some aren't. For some macho reason a very high percentage of students of the trumpet (which we all are) are wrapped up in trying to play " high, loud and long", and using different methods to achieve those goals. The pencil exercise is one of them.
My view is that exercise and practice are good, but the goal should be to find your natural strengths and abilities and comfortable limits. Once you have found them, you can use the pencil exercise and other practice methods to improve your individual strengths and abilities.
On a football team each player is assigned to a position because of their individual strengths and abilities. The left tackle can't play quarterback very well and the quarterback can't play left tackle very well. It's a team effort and everyone has their roles to play. It's the same in the trumpet section. The goal of the trumpet section is to make it as easy as possible for the lead player.
The 4th trumpet player should have a big sound providing good intonation, matching dynamics and very in-tune octaves. The 3rd trumpet player should help balance the blend from the 3rd and 4th parts to the 2nd and lead. The 2nd trumpet player is the blocking back for the lead player. This is the hardest chair in the section because he is supporting the lead player up in his register and then has to split some of the lead to relieve the lead player. But the lead parts he gets are usually the worst charts and the least fun to play. :)
The 1st trumpet player should keep the overall dynamics of the section at a comfortable and musical level, establish good time by keeping the upbeats alive, and with the help of the bass player, strive to keep the tempo where it started and resist any dragging in the band. After the sensitive and musical things are attended to, then if high and loud is called for or needed, it can be achieved with less effort.
To me "high, loud and long" are unmusical terms and even though they are used occasionally in music they shouldn't be strived for as goals. For me the heros of a trumpet section are the 4th trumpet players who comes to the gig not thinking of all the high notes he'll be playing but how much he gives of himself with beautiful intonation and doing his part to support the richness of the music. He has used the pencil exercise to help achieve a wonderful sound in the middle and low register and puts his heart into that 4th part.
Again my point is that everyone is not cut out to play loud high notes and we should all be thankful for that. The left tackle never carries the ball but still loves and enjoys playing the game. We as trumpet players should use these different methods of practice to find ourselves and make us stronger in those areas not just to be able to play "high, loud and long". There are many roles to be played and your odds of success will be a lot "higher" if you can find what area of trumpet playing you are naturally cut out for then do it. You can then be yourself and at the same time garner respect by doing what you do best. CS |
| Hello Carl! I'm a junior in High School, and I'm doing everything I can to pursue playing the trumpet and jazz. I've been playing for about 5 yearsnow, and
I've just got a couple of questions for you.
When it comes to improvisation, how do you come up with your
melodies? Do you feel like you use many memorized licks, or is it mostly
original?
How would you suggest getting a sense for melody,
tension
and release... everything that makes even a relatively "simple" solo something that evokes emotion and excitement? Would it come from
transcription? Playing with recordings? Anything else?
What suggestions would you give for making it in the music business in
today's world?
Thanks so much! I love your music and ideas. You play much like how I hope to play one day.
Thanks for being an inspiration!
Greg Bergevin
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Everyone has their own licks they develop.. I use them as stepping stones to something hopefully new and inventive. Hearing melodies is a natural thing. You either have them bopping around in your head or you don't.. If you do you should incorporate them in your solos..
Again.. Hearing meodies is a natural thing. The only mechanics involved is the playing of your instrument. Improvisation and composition to me is a natural thing that really can't be taught but can be developed by listening to players that play the melodic lines that you like. Being fundimentally sound on your instrument and having your fingers flexable enough with all the scales including the cromatic scale to be able to react to your meodic intent. And the main ingredent you must dedicate yourself.. You must play alot. Go to sessions, play with music minus one CDs, put playing situations together. Call people and organize a playing scene. Play in rehearsl bands. Don't wait around for people to call you. Make it happen yourself.
You must have the combination of being schooled and experienced on your instrument and have natural abilities musically.. There are mechanical players and natural players and a few that are both. To be in the business working in a recording studio and doing gigs the mechanical part is more important. To be an improviser and a jazz player which is the artistic side of the business the natural part is more important. One must be carefull. The more natural abilities people have musically the less incentive there is to practice because music comes easier for them so it always comes back to how dedicated you are and how much desire you have. |
Hi Carl. I have recently taken the trumpet back up after a gap of 12 years and during this period I only played for 2 years. I have only been playing for 4 months now. My question is why is it easier for me to hit high notes when I first pick up the instrument, I can reach high C relatively comfortable during normal play (and for a few minutes I can even hit super c but only when doing arpeggios) but after 10 minutes of playing I find it difficult to get above G?
Will the duration of which I can hit high notes increase over time and it’s just a case of practicing to build up my endurance? I know the next question is very dependant on many factors but how long would you say it takes a player (I practice at least 90 mins a day in the week and up to 4 hours on the weekends) to build the endurance to consistently hit high notes (high C in this case)?
Thank you for your response
Russell Clarke |
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To play the trumpet anywhere near how we'd like to, one has to play every day. If you're not a professional you need to find a kicks band that rehearses every week and maybe have a sectional with the trumpets one of the other nights and create situations for yourself to play. Play duets with a trumpet friend. It's ususally best if you create these yourself like making the telephone calls yourself and putting something together instead of waiting for someone to call you.
When you find that rehearsal band to play in, start working your way up from 4th trumpet parts to lead parts and if you want to play high notes and lead maybe you ought to experiment with some different mouthpieces until you find one that helps you achieve what you're looking for.. 12 years is a long span of time to come back from. Be patient, don't excpect too much too soon. Dedicate yourself to it and it will come around. |
| Carl, I am a comeback player and have been very fortunate to have some wonderful teachers. While I have managed to improve my playing considerably in many areas I have not been able to increase my "own it" range above high D, Eb. I can play up to that range with good endurance for hours but when I try to go above it most times I hit a wall and air escapes out the side of the mouthpiece. Why do so many players seem to have this problem and what are your suggestions to get beyond this? Thanks, Ken |
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Ken........... Without seeing you in person and only going on what information you gave me here, I will give you two scenarios
1. There are many very good trumpet players who would love to be able to play with good endurance for hours up to D and Eb. That is a good range to be able to play solidly. There are four players in the section, the lead player, the second and split lead player, the third player (who should be a good section player and able to play occasional not too demanding lead parts), and the fourth player (who should have a bigger set up and able to build a foundation of good intonation that makes it easier for the higher players). It's a team effort and everyone has a role. Everyone wants to play high notes but everyone is not physically equipped to play high notes. The old Zen axiom "find yourself" is in play here. Place yourself where things are natural for you and where you're comfortable. Immerse yourself in the pleasure of playing beautiful music, in tune and blending. The more you do that the better you'll become as a trumpet player.
2. If you are an in-demand working (professional) lead player or desire to be, then the E, F and G would be needed. Again, from what information you gave me, always keep the first scenario in mind and in play but try some differen't mouthpieces as you do. I would suggest a little shallower cup and or a shallower cup with a little bigger hole, or try your same size piece with a little bigger hole. Hopefully you can get the air to go through the horn instead of escaping out the side of your mouthpice. Remember always use the least amount of air to get the job done to its fullest and never let the band leader ask for less.. Good skill and some luck.. Carl |
| Hello Carl, I live in Adelaide, South Australia. Started playing the trumpet when I was 25, that was about 1973. Just played for pleasure not too serious but put a lot of work in nevertheless. About 7 years ago I let it go and didn't play for a couple of years except the odd blow every couple of months with a CD. After a couple of years I was really missing it and at the age of about 51 tried to get some of back. At 57 I somehow managed to get into the Adelaide University and study jazz trumpet. 2005 will be my 3rd year. There are some things that just arn't as good. My range is lower - only about High C with the odd D and a squeaked E (Used to get F and just G). Seem to get 'sticky' lips after a while - very frustrating. Anyway mainly enquiring regarding playing fast or rapid passages - flourishes. I really don[t quite know where to start. Do you know of a book that would help? I listen to a lot of CD's which is good but some times its hard to know how the passages are created and of course what they are broken down. - is it scales?, or lyrical lines? or chromatic lines? are most flourishes slurred? etc. Wondered if someone has written a book on the subject? |
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Playing fast and rapid passages, flourishes as you call them can only be achieved with very flexible fingers. Finger flexibility is of course achieved by running regular scales in all the keys until you can run them very fast and clean but I have found that if you concentrate on the chromatic scale you can reach higher levels of flexibility because you are playing all the notes instead of some of them. Make up your own patterns of chromatics like 8 sixteenth notes going down starting on C for example and then starting on B and on down chromatically, then 12 triplets the same way..Then do the same thing going up. As you make up your own patterns write them down. Make long and short patterns and make a collection of them. When practicing them start slowly and never go faster than you can play them clean and as you improve increase the speed. I have found that working on chromatics makes the regular scales easier because your fingers are more flexible..Play them as fast as you can but always at speeds that you are in control of.. Good luck and good skill.. Carl |
| Hello Carl, I hope to see you in Newport. My question is about the best way to build endurance as a trumpeter. Is it just playing as much as possible, or can you suggest specific things which work best? thanks |
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You have it right, you answered your own question.. Playing everyday is the best way to build and keep your endurance.. |
| I am a spanish trumpeter, I play in dance bands. When I play above high C my cheeks automatically puffed. It´s normal? |
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Puffing of the cheeks is a phenomenon that comes from a combination of being lax and lazy about keeping your embouchure tight and firm, having equipment that has too much resistance to your air stream and/or overblowing.. Dizzy is an example of what can happen when this condition goes uncorrected.. A little puffing of the cheeks is ok but if it starts to effect your range, flexibility, endurance or control, measures should be taken. You say high c is where the puffing starts.. When you practice play up to where the puffing starts, as you go into that area, reduce your air velocity and play softer, and concentrate on keeping your cheeks in and firm. Once you are playing those notes (softer) without puffing slowly, add velocity. When you can't control it anymore, stop and start again. It's not an overnight thing to correct this and you may not be able to correct it totally but by doing this procedure you can stop it from getting worse and more than likely make it better. For now when you are working, do what have to do to play the gig but as improvements come from practice, slowly apply it to the gig.. Remember.. use the least amount of air to get the job done to its fullest..One more thing... Stay on top of the beat but don't rush.. Good luck.. Carl Saunders |
I'm a professional trombone player in the San Francisco area & I teach private lessons.
Having spent a few years in LA in the early 70's & having the good fortune to play with some good studio brass players, I saw a wide variety in facial physiologies.
I've read your web page on embrochure & I've heartily recommended it as a fundamental guide for fellow professionals & also my advanced students.
I noticed through the years that many brass players who seems to have "natural" power & high range have perfectly even teeth (or have had them re-sculpted by a knowledgeable othdontist), and in some cases, they have a slight underbite.
* And, of course, they are focused & practice! *
Question: do you view a slight underbite as a natural advantage? |
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Could be, but then since the lower jaw would have to be pulled back it might not be comfortable or natural, I wouldn't want to say for sure. I think you have to take it on an individual basis |
| I have lost teeth to pariodontal disease, all but eight. I'm a Trumpet Player (or was) up until 1996. I was doing a few lead gigs, met Carl Fontana in Vegas in 1994 and did a jam w/him ...what a player he was/is.
A few years ago 1996 (I believe) a friend of yours came to Tulsa,OK to do a concert ..Bobby Shew. I had met Bobby a few times when I worked at Disney (trpt player). Kind of felt we were more than just acquaintances. We talked briefly about you and my teeth problems.
My problem, is in my head. I quit playing in 1996 because of losing so many teeth and it's not really over. All I had ever done was play the Trumpet from age 5 until 1996. I'm 50 now. I have this belief that I will never play again. The partials I have now move and cause pain.
What did you do and how did you over come having teeth problems? I desperately need advice and help. I can drive a bus any longer. |
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I have never had teeth problems but if you check out my little article on the embouchure it might help.. |
Do you use the same
equipment for all of your work (lead, jazz, big band or small
group), or do you switch? What instruments and mouthpieces
do you use? Thank you. |
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I
use a Bach 10 1/2 C when I play jazz or record small type
things. When I play lead with a big band I play smaller and
shallower Shilke piece that has no number. It was made specially
for a friend of mine who gave it to me. I've been playing
a Burbank Benge 3x ML for the last ten or fifteen years,
though Fred Powell at United Musical Instruments is in the
process of building me a custom Conn Vintage One horn, so
I could be switching to that soon... CS |
Just got my copy of your new
Big Band CD, and it was worth the wait! I am a big fan and
a trumpet player myself in the metro Denver area. I am a
member of a newly formed big band that is always looking
for great charts to perform and was wondering if any of the
charts on the CD would be availabe through any outlet whatsoever.
I listen in awe to your performances on several recordings
that I have, and you make it sound so easy. Thanks for being
such a great representative of the King of instruments! |
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Sea Breeze Records is publishing
nine of the BBBB charts--via Otter Distributors, one of their
other companies (www.ottermusicsales.com). He doesn't yet have
the charts in his online database, but the ones he has to sell
are Compilation, Dearly Befuddled, Never Always, I'm All For
You, Baby Blues, Strike Out the Band, Perceptive Hindsight,
Some Bones of Contention, and An Apple For Christa. Anyone
interested can call Otter at 805-489-2055. |
| Took heart with your article on embouchure particularly
re the jaw and lower teeth, and the air (use only what
you need). I would be very interested to know your thoughts
on the subject of teeth separation (given the upper and
lower teeth are in alignment). What is critical and what
isn't, in regard to teeth separation?
Thank you very much.
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The space or opening of
your teeth can be correctly sized by putting a pencil between
your teeth. This is how far you want the space between your
teeth to be. Align your teeth so there is an even wall on which
the mouthpiece can rest, put the pencil between your teeth,
and put your lips together. Check the position with your tongue
then carefully take the pencil out of your mouth without moving
the position.
The tendency is for your teeth to close or come closer
together when you play in the upper register. When your
teeth get closer together than the pencil width, you will
stifle your air stream. You must strive to keep your jaw
position and the space between the teeth constant while
you’re playing. It’s not an overnight thing,
I still work on it myself. Wish you success... Carl
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You play so fast up and down the horn. I'm
studying transcriptions of several of your solos. How much
false fingering are you using? i.e. 3rd valve for 1&2
fingering?
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None- I never use false fingerings when I play fast.
If I'm playing lead, I may use third valve on an A on top of
the staff if I feel it's a little sharp to the rest of the
band.
Carl |
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